tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.comments2023-10-15T08:40:12.715-05:00Interdisciplinary WorldTroy Camplinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comBlogger1933125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-84112970090456103942016-01-14T10:12:11.609-06:002016-01-14T10:12:11.609-06:00I have posted the following question and stated a ...I have posted the following question and stated a discussion in the ResearchGate:<br /><br /><b>Can dissipative structure concept usefully take place of equilibrium framework in economic analysis?</b> <br /><br />https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_dissipative_structure_concept_usefully_take_place_of_equilibrium_framework_in_economic_analysis#5695f97c6307d9c9ee8b4593<br /><br />I hope you and your readers will contribute many ideas to this difficult but vital-to-economics question. Dissipative structure is a clear concept in itself but it seems difficult to define this concept in the economics context. Some of you must have a good characterization on it. <br /><br />Yoshinori ShiozawaUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536681386880936893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-19254027043051260322016-01-07T23:25:32.804-06:002016-01-07T23:25:32.804-06:00Dear Yoshinori Shiozawa,
I am thrilled you came a...Dear Yoshinori Shiozawa,<br /><br />I am thrilled you came across my blog post so you could share your paper with me, and that we are thinking of the economy along the same lines. <br /><br />I am similarly perplexed that, even though economists seem to be moving in the right direction in thinking of the economy as a self-organizing network process, that they haven't come to realize that it's therefore necessarily a dissipative structure as well. That's a necessary element of it being a far-from-equilibrium system. The implications of analyzing the economy as such would, I think, finish the complexity revolution that's currently underfoot, but which still hasn't managed to overcome equilibrium thinking. <br /><br />Troy Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-38940259124752670002016-01-07T01:41:35.989-06:002016-01-07T01:41:35.989-06:00Dear Troy Camplin,
I found that you have written ...Dear Troy Camplin,<br /><br />I found that you have written this post today (Jan. 7, 2016). I am happy to know it because I have written a short paper with the same title as yours. <br /><br />Please see <br />https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236149834_Economy_as_a_Dissipative_Structure<br /><br /><br />This paper was read in the Keihana Prigogine Conference which was held on May 28 1996, inviting Professor Ilya Prigogine. It was sponsored by Keihanna Co. and Sankei Newspaper. My paper was not published open in any journal nor uploaded in any webpage before I uploaded it in ResearchGate in December 2013. It is natural that you did not know the existence of my paper.<br /><br />Although she did not used the term "dissipative structure", Jane Jacobs expressed similar idea in her book <i>The Nature of Economics</i> that was published in 2000. <br /><br />It is quite strange that few economists are aware that the economy is a dissipative structure. Most economist know that the economy is a spontaneous order and therefore a self-organizing system, but they do not know that it is a dissipative structure.<br /><br />Yoshinori Shiozawa<br />A retired economist in Tokyo<br /> Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536681386880936893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-85791646494320604262015-12-04T12:41:13.349-06:002015-12-04T12:41:13.349-06:00Thanks for the comment. Trying to divide us and wi...Thanks for the comment. Trying to divide us and winning elections are not unrelated. Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-7902076830419211662015-12-04T12:12:18.155-06:002015-12-04T12:12:18.155-06:00This is great: "Rather than trying to build b...This is great: "Rather than trying to build bridges and tear down the residual racism in America, they seek to create deeper divisions, just so they can justify their own ideology." <br /><br />IHMO though it is not only to justify their own ideology but to explain why they are not on the top income wise. There is too much focus on income and PISA scores and education gaps. Income differences are not so important in a country as rich as ours and education and PISA gaps are worthless. <br /><br />I think black USAers should embrace their great successes more. They invented most of the great music we love gospel, blues, rock and roll, rap and hip hop. <br /><br />They dominate the popular sports football and basketball. <br /><br />And 2/3's are not poor. <br /><br />They invented some of our foods Etc.<br /><br />This is due to increasing alienation in our society, alienation created by our government, whose actions at home and overseas are designed to dissolve social cohesion and trust in order to centralize power more and more.<br /><br />I think "designed to dissolve social cohesion" is not correct, they are designed to win elections. dissolving of social cohesion is an unintended consequence.JWOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00004178958481335795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-78917833698083618502015-09-28T23:48:18.079-05:002015-09-28T23:48:18.079-05:00thanks for share
nha xinhthanks for share <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://thietkenha.asia/" title="nha xinh" rel="nofollow">nha xinh</a>thiet ke nha dephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13079495896964228424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-59473787037229736132015-08-23T00:27:45.128-05:002015-08-23T00:27:45.128-05:00I think there is little question you are right abo...I think there is little question you are right about that.Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-45347133330979046202015-08-23T00:26:55.321-05:002015-08-23T00:26:55.321-05:00I have no private hates nor prejudices. That is yo...I have no private hates nor prejudices. That is you reading yours into what I have written. I suppose that Pound just woke up one day, magically fascist and anti-Semitic? I think not. <br /><br />You should be upset that Pound used these struggles to support a terrible ideology. That's on Pound, not on the one who sees what he's done. Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-12282181655787300142015-08-23T00:18:27.333-05:002015-08-23T00:18:27.333-05:00Bullshit. It has nothing to do with Jews or Pound&...Bullshit. It has nothing to do with Jews or Pound's later anti-Semitism. You are abysmally ignorant of all things Hungarian and guilty of a colossal fault: reading into a poem your private hates and prejudices. And your explication de texte is abysmal. Désolé.<br /><br />Hungary had three great heroic struggles in living memory: the Rákóczy rebellion 17O3 to 1711 against Habsburg absolutism, the Revolution and freedom fight that being a Hungarian term szabadságharc meaning war of independence, and the Kossuth ditto of 1848 49 crushed by the Czar, and the ditto of 1956 against Soviet tanks. Great deeds in Hungary can mean nothing else but the heroic struggle for independence from Tatars Turks Austrian Germans and Tsarist Bolshevik Communist <br />Pravoslav Great Russian PanSlav Soviets. Now you know.<br /><br />As far as Hungarian Jews are concerned they supported these struggles and many died for Hungary their country. <br />There was one year of horror when the Nazi Arrow cross fascist if you like thugs murdered many Jews but also Hungarians who resisted and hid the persecuted. For 11OO hundred year the Jews had it so good in Hungary that many flocked from all over EU to the only safe welcoming country. There never was a pogrom in Hungary or extrajudicial persecution until 1944 after the Wehrmacht took over.<br /><br />So great deeds in Hungary means the quintessence of just and heroic struggle. It has SFA to do with militarism, every society has a right to fight for its freedom. All nations countries peoples had to do it not out of choice but because they were compelled to do so by their oppressors or adversaries. Do you now get it? <br /><br />Obviously Ezra Pound chose Hungary not say Ireland or Greece say <br />as the most noble and heroic and just cause. <br />And of course that to impress his hyperbole, even great deeds in Hungary are inconsequential compared to his love life.<br /><br />Ironically the great Hungarian poet Babits got into trouble with the authorities during WWI when he published a poem with the same sentiments that his love is more important than military glory.<br /><br />Make love not war even in Hungary.<br />And the chick could be Judith or Emese.<br />There. <br /><br />Albert Camus wrote Le sang des hongrois and Kadar a eu son jour de peur. There is no work in any language including Magyar which explains so well what great deeds in Hungary means even if used pejoratively.<br />As I said many of the greatest heroes of 1956 were Hungarian Jews even Communists they joined even led the fight against the Soviet tanks!!!<br /> Are you now beginning to understand? <br /><br />That is and only that is the meaning of Ezra Pound's words.algohunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217363034586983605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-56122938770634954462015-08-17T20:00:17.278-05:002015-08-17T20:00:17.278-05:00Yes, and I think an economy can handle much more w...Yes, and I think an economy can handle much more welfare than socialism. JWOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00004178958481335795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-30005259753197078242015-08-05T22:41:29.389-05:002015-08-05T22:41:29.389-05:00The FBI reports it has done up.
Then, there'...The FBI reports it has done up. <br /><br />Then, there's this:<br /><br />http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/edward-peter-stringham-out-of-control-kill-rate-article-1.2244132Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-75226665688685798732015-08-05T16:21:45.567-05:002015-08-05T16:21:45.567-05:00The police seem to be increasingly emboldened, des...<em>The police seem to be increasingly emboldened, despite the omnipresence of cameras.</em><br /><br />This seems very incorrect to me. I think police brutality has gone down not up but has become more visible now with the cell phone. (BTW it is not only targeted at blacks, I saw enough of it as a young man perpetrated against white male teens and early 20s men.) The problem is that some police think nightsticks are for the backs of young toughs and fools. It has been thus throughout my lifetime. Though I am against it and think police should never use extralegal methods, I must admit that it is possible that it may suppress overall violence which is what the perpetrators generally claim.JWOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00004178958481335795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-71514806317136503902015-07-29T04:25:20.880-05:002015-07-29T04:25:20.880-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197256013728045155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-66689420560048008462015-07-29T04:25:02.772-05:002015-07-29T04:25:02.772-05:00My name is Marlon Witbooi. From what I can remembe...My name is Marlon Witbooi. From what I can remember, between Grade 1 and Grade 3, my teachers attempted to explain the necessity of why we had to do the different things we did. For example, why you need to be able to read, write and count and also eat healthy and exercise.<br /><br />But from Grade 4 onwards up until I graduated with my first Degree, generally, but not all, teachers, and then some lecturers would create the impression that their subject/module is the most important of the lot. It is mainly from this year while I'm pursuing my postgraduate qualification that I became aware of the interconnectedness and relevancy of my modules in aid of the other, which lead to the increased realisation of how different things are connected other than things academic related. <br /><br />Now, when thinking about education from a functional perspective, functionalists believe that the educational systems are a key platforms for socialisation of the new generation, as they learn the values, norms, culture and rules of society. <br /><br />When thinking about the education system it's clear that it could be explained by the division of labour. The division of labour, at its basic features, means that work is separated into tasks and each task given to a separate person, or a group of people. The functionality of the different subjects becomes apparent then in terms of preparing children for society and giving them the tools they need to function in society. <br /><br />It is quite structural in nature giving boundaries to disciplines which give ground for specialization. People with these specialized knowledge capacities take specialized positions in society. Teachers then only do their part, limiting themselves and their teaching strictly to teaching of their subject, not giving the much needed reason why each subject is important or rather the relevance and interconnectedness of subjects and the overall development of students. Also, this functional structure also makes sure that several teachers keep their jobs and how new teachers get entrance into the system. <br /><br />Teaching then becomes a task to complete, and what they teach then doesn't always become knowledge, but information to answer a question in a test and then to forget when you're done. Education is also highly influenced by the dominant political and economical trend of a country. <br /><br />This is could be and is some of the reasons why I think interdisciplinary work is not highly favoured. For it to be contingent, and not just a project, the whole structure and belief system of society may need to change which is something that takes time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197256013728045155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-90947801379226510952015-06-17T16:53:34.429-05:002015-06-17T16:53:34.429-05:00Thanks. Nice comment there. You are, of course, ex...Thanks. Nice comment there. You are, of course, exactly right. Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-39721186800113022922015-06-17T16:44:38.525-05:002015-06-17T16:44:38.525-05:00Completely agree. I offered a comment on the news...Completely agree. I offered a comment on the news site.English101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09189836931485473262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-15446725139849559822015-06-11T15:13:42.971-05:002015-06-11T15:13:42.971-05:00Yes, I would say that math and the natural science...Yes, I would say that math and the natural sciences only produce knowledge and do not produce understanding. The biggest problem is, in fact, the fact that they produces the illusion of understanding while only producing knowledge. <br /><br />And the social sciences, philosophy, and the humanities cannot produce knowledge. Because knowledge is particular, and one cannot understand the particulars of a system which is either as or more complex than yourself. You can only understand them, but never know them, because you cannot get outside of them to know them. Which is something you can in fact do with things less complex than yourself. <br /><br />Because science has theories, we think we have understanding, but in fact theories fall well within the realm of philosophy and are not really science in the empirical sense. We come to understand what we know through the theories we develop, that bring everything together. But you can neither prove nor disprove a theory, so they really fall within the realm of philosophy. Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-69300729191648268022015-06-11T12:11:28.884-05:002015-06-11T12:11:28.884-05:00Would you distinguish between "liberal arts e...Would you distinguish between "liberal arts education" and "liberal education"?Michael Hardyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11577316986024271354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-92225323194841266112015-06-11T12:09:37.744-05:002015-06-11T12:09:37.744-05:00"Math and the natural sciences are all realms..."Math and the natural sciences are all realms of knowledge-production. The social sciences, philosophy, and the humanities are all realms of understanding-production."<br /><br />So then you would say that math and the natural sciences do not produce understanding and the social sciences, philosophy, and the humanities do not produce knowledge? Why not include them all, mathematics, natural sciences, social sciences, philosophy, and the humanities as realms of knowledge production and understanding production?Michael Hardyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11577316986024271354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-21682195622233777572015-06-11T12:07:40.010-05:002015-06-11T12:07:40.010-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michael Hardyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11577316986024271354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-59674402048854371532015-06-09T11:44:56.651-05:002015-06-09T11:44:56.651-05:00So you are suggesting that, for some magical reaso...So you are suggesting that, for some magical reason, increasing the price of wages will not cause there to be a reduction in demand for employees, even though in every other case raising prices causes the demand to fall for that good or service? The laws of economics just simply do not apply to labor?Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-48727071998417744612015-06-09T11:00:40.617-05:002015-06-09T11:00:40.617-05:00Actually, the argument that raising minimum wage c...Actually, the argument that raising minimum wage causes unemployment has not, in any way, been proven. Several prominent, recent studies argue against it, including this one:<br />http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/workingpapers/157-07.pdfAdrian Demoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01823918725940467496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-14339344995952545362015-06-09T10:35:48.442-05:002015-06-09T10:35:48.442-05:00While your criticisms are generally valid, I am wo...While your criticisms are generally valid, I am wondering what, specifically, they are addressing in what I in fact wrote. I don't think I make any sort of claim of superiority or greater complexity. I'm not sure that my suggestion that there was a Western rediscovery means that the rediscovery is more complex, since the original had much more time to be developed. I'm suggesting we might look to what has already been developed, since they have had the head start. Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-54351775253375700332015-06-09T10:17:12.811-05:002015-06-09T10:17:12.811-05:00Interestingly, if you look more closely at the Tan...Interestingly, if you look more closely at the Tantric system (the origin of what we now think of as the "chakra" system) you never find individual psychology separate from (a) universal consciousness and (b) transcendent consciousness.<br /><br />There seems to be a pattern in the last 50 years or so of westerners turning east - they discover something, take one isolated element (chakras) then make it "westernized" (spiral dynamics) and then declare, "Well, the east may have been on to something but we westerners are much more complex and intelligent (Wilber's All Quadrant-All Level system, or AQAL).<br /><br />The problem is, at some point, the westerners, after a few decades finding their borrowing to have failed, look again and realized they missed something when they first extracted (misappropriated) the elements from the East. <br /><br />So take chakras. These are conscious-energy focal points for a universal energy (physical, pranic, mental and beyond) which in itself is an expression of what Jean Gebser calls "the ever present origin" - the originating principle of this and all universes (not the abstract "multiverse" of physicists but the many worlds of virtually all classic cultures). <br /><br />This is why there is a direct connection between the "chakras" of the individual and the consciousness of world cultures, because both are phenomena equally (though one on the individual and the other on the societal level) reflecting the transcendent. <br /><br />Sri Aurobindo has eloquently written about this in his socio-political writings, "The Human Cycle: The Psychology of Social Development" and "The Ideal of Human Unity." <br /><br />The difference between his writing and that of spiral dynamics or Wilber is that in every sentence, once you learn how to read "between" (within?) the lines, you'll find always implicit the complex interaction of the transcendent, universal and individual, as well as the full complement of outer or gross consciousness, inner or subliminal consciousness, subconcient or infrataional and supranational consciousness, all expressing through an ever-shifting mixture of physical, pranic/vital and mental consciousness. <br /><br />It is neither hierarchical or holoarchical (Wiber's term) but transrational, or "veridical" as Jean Gebser puts it. Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13741454531338054082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-74911294075509665312015-02-19T17:22:21.020-06:002015-02-19T17:22:21.020-06:00And yes, that is a spontaneous order -- but not al...And yes, that is a spontaneous order -- but not all spontaneous orders are good. There are perverse spontaneous orders. The one that has emerged where professors make life easier for students in exchange for not being harassed by the students and administrators is a prime example. Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.com