tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post6854271566429185454..comments2023-10-15T08:40:12.715-05:00Comments on Interdisciplinary World: How to Use a CrisisTroy Camplinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-84468333590939361532009-03-09T08:25:00.000-05:002009-03-09T08:25:00.000-05:00There were people who warned us that this would ha...There were people who warned us that this would happen if we elected Obama, but everybody thought the same thing, that there was no way anyone would actually try to do these things. Not in the U.S.Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-34971101817352501472009-03-09T01:37:00.000-05:002009-03-09T01:37:00.000-05:00I am surprised that this is being proposed in the ...I am surprised that this is being proposed in the United States. The U.S. is about the last place in the world that I would expect this to be happening. Things really have changed in the last few months.<BR/> By the way, I agree that this is bad policy!Winton Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07383561940886657594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-71001673349106390822009-03-07T11:06:00.000-06:002009-03-07T11:06:00.000-06:00The point is that there should be many different a...The point is that there should be many different alternatives out there. The law in question is designed to shut down a major alternative. If you don't like the Catholic approach, provide your own -- but we, and they, should not force or threaten to use the force of government to get what we or they want. And the government certainly shouldn't be using such tactics as this to try to shut down charity hospitals. There should be moral outrage at this. But the forces at work are Green, and they don't see any value to anything anybody else is doing. Thus, the attempt to shutter all competition and get medicine completely under the control of government. We need a variety of hospitals representing a wide range of levels, as they will provide the kinds of care needed by different kinds of people. Of course, 2nd Tier health care should be able to put them all out of business. Whatever that may look like. That's the debate we really should be having, I think.Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-88069269286488962332009-03-07T08:42:00.000-06:002009-03-07T08:42:00.000-06:00Chris,Did you notice that only guys were making fu...Chris,<BR/>Did you notice that only guys were making fun of Pelosi's family planning money. Women think it's the basic level of individual responsibility we teach our daughters. You don't have a kid you can't support. Mainstreem US Blue thinks you shouldn't have kids unless you can support them and of course Orange women are into work-life planning.<BR/><BR/>Abortion debates usually miss the prevention issue. If Catholic doctors and counselors weren't denying women access to birth control, we wouldn't have the moral horror of abortion as a method of birth control. <BR/><BR/>In a managed care system, a woman may not be able to choose a doctor who does abortions if she is a victum of rape by a family member or if she is carrying a non-viable fetus. My cousin gave birth to an ancephalic baby that lived for days because a Green hospital force them to keep a soleless husk on life support. The horror of that experience destroyed her marriage and after 20 years I still see evidence of the trauma.<BR/><BR/>It's a very toxic blue that takes upon itself the right to decide for a couple if such a damaged creature should be kept alive in constant pain or allowed to rejoin god. <BR/><BR/>And to move us into Orange, I don't see the Catholic church agreeing to foot every penny of the expense for damaged or unwanted children. The Catholic women who march around abortion clinics aren't foster parents caring for the kids they're attempting to force on others. They expect the tax payers who believe in responsible family planning to foot the bill for those who don't.<BR/><BR/>Just some thinking points. <BR/>[By the way, I do agree it's a moral outrage to force a Dr. to do an abortion AND therefore, managed care systems MUST provide women an alternative provider that will.]<BR/>If we reframe the debate in that way, perhaps we could come up with a reasonable compromise.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Barbara BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com