tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post5313898896056219825..comments2023-10-15T08:40:12.715-05:00Comments on Interdisciplinary World: Thugs or Discipline, Take Your PickTroy Camplinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-11938618022136933882007-12-07T13:38:00.000-06:002007-12-07T13:38:00.000-06:00Not all children need to be spanked. There should ...Not all children need to be spanked. There should be a varied repertoire available of punishments, including things like standing in the corner (which always annoyed the hell out of me) and being grounded. Things like corporal punishment were successful in schools primarily because of the shame and embarrassment factor. You have some thug who is terrorizing other kids reduced to tears when he leaves the principal's office, and he's too ashamed to continue with his behavior, now that everyone's seen him cry. He doesn't want to get spanked again for that reason. Shame works -- and that should be the goal of punishment for disciplinary purposes: to shame the student so he will behave. If we can do that without spanking, so much the better.Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-49446256843599454812007-12-07T10:23:00.000-06:002007-12-07T10:23:00.000-06:00I agree with you about the correlation between dis...I agree with you about the correlation between discipline and education. My worst behaved students are also my least academically capable, the most likely to produce excuses that blame their failures on others and to mouth off at me or other teachers. <BR/><BR/>I am against corporeal punishment in schools and I don't hit or spank my own children, but I can't help but think that ours is one of very few times in human history when a skinny 12 year old kid would dare take an insolent, smug and confrontational tone with another human who has 16 years and 200 lbs on him, let alone 2 university degrees. I'm not saying it's OK to abuse kids, just that a well-deserved ass-kicking or dressing-down can do wonders for a personality. Over the years such experiences have certainly trimmed much of the baby fat from my own ego.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02312740064923045194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-12914921923487998212007-12-03T11:15:00.000-06:002007-12-03T11:15:00.000-06:00It is Marx who coined the term "capitalism" -- and...It is Marx who coined the term "capitalism" -- and if we use his definition of it, then I too am against capitalism. I tend to prefer to use the term "free markets" for what I support (though I do sometimes slip). Free markets are different from what Marx calls capitalism. <BR/><BR/>And you are right about self-discipline. I would much rather have that taught. I would love it if martial arts could be taught to every child in every year of their schooling, precisely for the benefits of self-discipline. Free markets work best ith an ethical populace anyway.Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-6699379076600656792007-12-03T07:56:00.000-06:002007-12-03T07:56:00.000-06:00Interesting piece about discipline. I just want to...Interesting piece about discipline. I just want to add to that.Society today globally suffers from what I call the "victim syndrome". There is always a reason or justification for actions.If you are a delinquent it is because of.... This becomes true for whole populations through media etc.Or learned behaviour.Our bad choices needs justification not consequences - or so it seems.Focussing on self-discipline (a learned behaviour to a large extent) and consequences for bad choices in our education systems would help. So would less of a focus on individual rights and acceptable behaviour in group context.<BR/><BR/>By the way I am not such a fan of capitalism. Nor of soscialism. Our consumer driven society is unsustainable and destructive. There must be something in between.Mondragon?<BR/><BR/>PieterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-22691969283080115132007-12-02T23:00:00.000-06:002007-12-02T23:00:00.000-06:00When I was teaching middle school, I ended up havi...When I was teaching middle school, I ended up having to go to a conference with a parent and the vice principal and the principal because I told her precious darling to settle down while hovering a few inches from his face. He was the worst-behaved child I had, and his mother was even worse-behaved. When a child is disruptive in class, that is when CPS should be called on the parents, because clearly the parents aren't doing what they need to be doing to keep their child out of prison.Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7910834.post-84953948621211408292007-12-02T22:18:00.000-06:002007-12-02T22:18:00.000-06:00Discipline is about choices with consequences. For...Discipline is about choices with consequences. Fortunately I never had to spank either of my children, but I am sure there are children who require a swat on the rear end in order to get their attention.<BR/><BR/>Children learn very quickly, at an early age, just how much they can do without consequences. My teacher friends tell me the problem kids simply tell them, "If you touch me, my parents will sue your a**." And of course, these parents will never believe their children do any wrong.<BR/><BR/>Parents of these children are as much to blame as the public schools.Catch Her in the Wryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13052541966405145087noreply@blogger.com